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  The EGIBI Family Records WIPESOUT Watchtower 607 B.C.E. Date for GOOD!

  by TheSnarkyApologist in

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  this is information gained from carl olof jonsson's book entitled "the gentile times reconsidered".

  it's an extremely valuable piece of proof that utterly demolishes the watchtower claim of "extra kings" and "extra time" being inserted into the discussion!.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53_076v7a5s.

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  never a jw

  Leolaia,

  Objectively looking at the preponderance of the evidence together, one can readily conclude decisively that 607 BC cannot be right; there's just too much evidence. You can't cherry-pick the things you like that support your chronology and then dismiss the rest for no other reason than it conflicts with your chronology. That's not how history works. The Society claims that it's just a coincidence and secular records are unreliable. These are records that reflect contemporaneous daily life, from many different quarters (not just the Egibi family), and they all agree on the same "errors". History is about assessing probabilities, and it is the height of bias to prefer an analysis that produces such an implausible mass of coincidental errors to one that makes perfect sense of the preponderance of the evidence.

  I could use the next thirty years of my life researching in your field of study and sharpenning my writing skills, but I could never match the substance and the form of your writing. Thanks. Can I use this paragraph in a letter to some prominents "friends" of a congregation and make it look as my own paragraph by replacing a word with a synonym here and there.
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  The Governing Body has to Become the Faithful & Discreet Slave

  by Mickey mouse in

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  the growing ranks of the anointed are a threat to their power.

  today's watchtower made it clear that jehovah uses the governing body, no mention of the faithful & discreet slave.. i think they need new light on this in the next year or two..

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  Moshe,

  Your analogy won't be forgotten.
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  What you should keep in mind about apologists like Recovery, Alice, etc.

  by Fencing in

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  i don't post here much, but read often.

  seen quite a few jw apologists and trolls come and go.

  they are almost always successful at getting a good number of people here upset and riled up, leading to personal attacks.

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  Fencing. Totally agree. Lots of wisdom packed in your comment. I hope others see what you see, and used their talents to refute the apologists without insults and condescending tones. I may not be the best person to suggest "being nice" because I admit to being vicious sometimes, but I am learning.
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  Jwfacts-- More Lies But This Time About The Great Crowd

  by Recovery in

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  jwfacts has an article that explains why the great crowd must be in heaven.

  i am also aware that many of these are the same arguments that stemmed from the 'awakenings at bethel' so my statements are not simply attacks of jwfact's character (since these arguments are probably not original) but rather his copy and paste of what others have said instead of verifying it as 'fact' for himself.. so here are jwfacts arguments:.

  1. he shows that russell and rutherford (at some point) believed that the great crowd were in heaven.. 2. each term that describes the great crowd of revelation 7 is else used to described the anointed by the wt.

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  Does anyone believe,as I do, that Recovery is not a guy acting independently, but actually acting for the WTS and sanctioned by the WTS. He definitely is not your average dub. A person of his intelligence would have been out of the bOrg a long time ago. So my conclusion is that he is part of the system that wants to retain power and control through lies and manipulation. I think he is close to the GO or the writing department. Maybe he is sort of a Roy Furulli, smart enough to present well written, but fallacious or false arguments.
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  For Cedars: Getting to Know Stephen Lett: Part 1

  by Christ Alone in

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  cedars is taking a break from jwn, but he's still posting youtube videos.

  i hope he doesn't mind me posting it here.

  if he already did....sorry dude!

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  “Who needs Jesus anymore, we have the example of angels”, brother Stephen Lett might as well have said. Lectures like his in the 129 th Gilead Graduation made me change my mind about defending the idea that JW’s are Christians. They, JW’s, also bumped Jesus out of his rightful place as intended by the writers of the Greek scriptures by replacing “Lord” by “Jehovah”.

  “Imitate the Faithful Angels”

  That was the subject of a talk by Governing Body member Stephen Lett. The angels provide a wonderful example for us. “Everything the Bible reveals about them is worthy of imitation,” Brother Lett said. He then identified four traits of the faithful angels that we would do well to imitate—their endurance, their humility, their helpfulness, and their integrity. The Bible reports that one angel resisted ‘the prince of Persia’—a powerful demon— for 21 days. (Daniel 10:13) That angel

  displayed endurance. Christians too “have a wrestling . . . against the wicked spirit forces,” Brother Lett pointed out. (Ephesians 6:12) “Fight hard to continue carrying out your assignment,” he told the students. When Manoah, the father of Samson, asked an angel for his name, the angel refused

  to give it. That angel displayed humility. (Judges 13:17, 18) Brother Lett told the students: “When someone tries to praise you or rave about your abilities, humbly direct attention away from yourself and toward Jehovah and his organization.”—1 Corinthians 4:7.

  When Jesus was in the garden of Gethsemane shortly before his death, “an angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him.” (Luke 22:43) That angel showed helpfulness. “Prayerfully try to determine what the real needs are in your missionary assignment,” Brother Lett said, “and then with Jehovah’s help, try to fill those needs.” Since only a minority of angels joined Satan in his rebellion, we can say that the vast majority of these heavenly creatures are marvelous examples of integrity.—Revelation 12:4. “Like those faithful angels, resist the Devil,” Brother Lett urged the students. “Oppose him, and he will flee.”—James 4:7.

  129TH GILEAD GRADUATION

  “This Is Your Day”

  “When someone tries to praise

  you . . . , direct attention away from yourself”

  Watchtower Feb 1, 2011 pp.28-29
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  Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?

  by Recovery in

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  i have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.

  as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.

  "the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.

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  Recovery,

  Of all the articles in JW Facts, why is the "magic versus miracle" problem the one you chose to attack??? It seems that the more important articles in JW facts, which demonstrate by quoting directly from the WTS publications the arrogance, deception, inconsistency, hypocrisy and manipulative tactics of the WTS, are too strong for you to attack. Am I wrong? Despite the weakness of your argumentation, and the overwhelming stregth of the counterarguments, I will be extremely generous and give you this as your victory. Can you defend the WTS in the rest of the articles in JW Facts. I am anxious to see those threads.
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  I was HAPPY as a JW! How did I end up here? Pt 2

  by MC RubberMallet in

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  continuation of... http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/239292/5/i-was-happy-as-a-jw-how-did-i-get-here.

  me: so why is it we can make false predictions, but no one else can?.

  i see...... do you know my heart?.

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  MC Rubber Mallet,

  I knew everything you said to the elder, but what makes it better than just knowing it, is how you put it together in a real conversation and masterfully multiply the impact. You were possessed.

  The arrogance, the chutzpa, the hypocrisy of the elder "we are humble". Unbelievable!!
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  There Are Many New Ones Here. Has JWN Helped You?

  by minimus in

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  i think simon green's site has helped more people than he ever would have imagined!

  do you agree??

  ?.

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  never a jw

  As my name indicates, I have never been a JW, but plenty of people around me are, including my 16 year old daughter. One thing that surprise me of the people here is their apparent high "IQ". Do people here are more intelligent than the ones left behind in the WTS and that's why they left. Or is ist possible that when people leave the WTS their liberation causes their IQ to go way up. No insult intended to no one. I just want to say that many you are incredibly more sensible, better informed and educated than the average JW that I have met in the last 20 years.
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  Fb status of a Young JW Mom. Sooo Sick!

  by 3dogs1husband in

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  can't believe that we made it through the whole assembly, **** wasn't feeling good last night, has a cold, was pretty cranky, then he seemed fine and minutes later im making a bowl with my hands for him to throw up in while we are sitting (the joys of parenthood) then into a plastic bag, then very quickly ran to the bathroom for even more throwing up, but suprisingly we stayed for the rest of the day.

  trying to think of a response.

  i am not "out" on fb soooo sick from this i wanna throw up myself...poor children!.

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  drewcoul,

  very funny
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  A funy thing happened to me ...

  by scotoma in

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  i suddenly realized that this board has the same methods at its disposal as the watchtower and it will use them.

  and there's no appeal.. i am so saddened by this i feel like killing myself.

  this was my last refuge of being able to discuss things that are on my mind.. and now i see there is no hope.

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  never a jw

  What the heck make me responsible if he kills him/herself.

  I think he/she is just BSing. Isn't he the prankster who posted the false thread just a day ago? Who needs drama queens?